I hate to be negative, but a lot of the "headlines" on the site are seemingly very "Bloomy". While I don't really know the guy, I am, well, surprised by the visibility that he is getting on Unity 08. I have not seen nor heard anything that would suggest that he would be a great president, I have only seen and heard that he would be an alternative to the two main parties. That in itself does not suggest to me that he is "presidential timber."
So what does it really take to be president of the US today. Hummm..we are in real trouble as the leading military and political power in the world because of the particularly inept policies of the current administration. We have managed to differentiate ourselves by being "das uber" power that has lost touch with our basic values and ideals. We were the victor of WWII that did not occupy, but rebuilt. We had a sense of values based on fairness. Today we find ourselves isolated becasue we have misled our closest ally into an immoral war of our own creation in Iraq ( immoral because we went in to that war on false pretenses, Iraq was not a threat to US security and that is now clear to anyone with open eyes). Unfortunately President Bush was misled and did not have the courage to ask hard questions. I look at the line up today of 26 (more or less) candidates from the major parties and ask myself..which of these individuals will have the courage to challenge the in put that they receive from the various power sources that will seek to influence their decision making. I have not come to conclusion in my own mind but I would like to see the debate carried out to seek that answer.
Bloomberg is 2-time mayor of NY City - same recommendation as Giuliani, only unlike Giuliani, Bloomberg is popular and non-divisive, and a self-made billionare.
I think he is much smarter than most of the other choices, and brains would be a welcome change from the current regime.US Marine vet Vietnam 4/68 - 8/69 5th District, NJ
He's also VERY anti-gun and anti-smoking and owns a home in Bermuda(tax haven).
He is against the gun laws of New York City being intentional subverted by interstate conspiracy. It's a good case to make. It the aggrevated felony level of your neighbor poisoning your dog.
As for non-smoking, he has a consensus majority since the commercial disenters now agree with him....it help more buiness than it hurt.
I'm sure the view from Bermuda had nothing to do with it. By the way, UK (Bermuda) taxes are higher than ours.
Why not just find someone you like, maybe someone with a platform for national issues. I'm sure Mike will get over it.
Bill"for what we are together"
bill713.unity08@sbcglobal.net
I respect the fact that Bloomberg is very successful in the business world. I am an executive in my own right (58 years old, up until March 07 general manager of a 60 million business and recently managing a start up out of California), and I truly respect his success. I would not denegrate the intelligence of many of the 2 traditional party contenders. Certainly Clinton, Obama, Richardson, Romney, etc etc all have iq's that far exceed the current office holder. My son John (age 17) does as well, but that does not make him a candidate.
Question..how can we measure the ability of the next office holder to challenge a Secretary of Defense or a Secretary of State on what their so called experts are telling her or him ( who well maybe a total political neophite or a total political hack). George Bush was neither brilliant nor strong. Stubborm maybe, but not a leader in the sense of a Lincoln or a Roosevelt. We need an exceptional personality/leader to get us out of the quagmire that we have allowed ourselves to be led into these past 8 years.
So what does Bloomberg bring to the table?
ps: from what I have read I agree that almost anyone would be less divisive than Clinton or Giuliani.
pss: truly respect your service record. I was trying to get you home at the time. I lost a good friend where you were.
on't mean to step on Quick toe, but I do have a thought or two about what MB brings to the table. He has demonstrated an excellent balance between command resolution and team resolution in accordance with the issues. Whoever is elected, I see that as the paramount value in bring all legislators to the table and keeping them there until the crucial issues get on a path of resolution. A listener that will understand the importance of what is offered from leaders of diplomacy and security. He knows a thing or two about media having built is fortune on it. He does not depend on special interest money to champaign for office including Unity 08 if it did not reach it's funding goals.
If he chooses to run, his opposition will have to top that. You can get his positions on his web page today.
Bill"for what we are together"
bill713.unity08@sbcglobal.net
According to a speech Bloomberg gave to "Ceasefire! Bridging The Political Divide", he is for trying new things, thinking outside the box, & non-partisan governing. In fact, the crux of his message is that the federal politicians are too fearful of trying anything new that might hurt their chances of re-election or hurt their party. Our federal government is at a stalemate concerning the big important issues facing us today. Bloomberg's record of success as mayor of NYC is quite impressive, too. As an independent, beholden to neither major party, he looks like a prime candidate for U08.
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where's my no-spin zone?
I don't know much about Bloomberg either, but I was surprised by how "Bloomy" the Unity08 site is...I just visited for the first time and joined this past week. Who are some of the other contender's that UNITY is mulling over? I, personally, have often reflected on how different things may have been if Al Gore had been president (I am not trying to reinstigate the debate on whether the '00 election was "stolen" - that's a waste of time)
His latest book indicates that he is open to such discourses as I am reading on this site. I think Gore has reinvented himself to the point that he is no longer just another ideologue trying to score "political" points - he seems geniunely interested in real solutions to real problems.
Ron Pual, Newt Gingrich, Dennis Kuwhatever, Fred Thompson have all been discussed at length here....Bloomberg and Newt are the one's not in primaries that take themselves seriously and engage public discourse. Bloomberg is discussed because he is proven and published on his political posture and it is a good fit for the Unity 08 mission. Others (not the above) would have a similar posture to Bloomberg when they feel free to go for it (after Feb 5, 2024). any of them will have to bring a fundraising machine with them to work with Unity 08. Bloomberg already has that covered which bears heavyly on the possibility of success.
Bill"for what we are together"
bill713.unity08@sbcglobal.net
I wish I wish
I am kind of with you. He was a very difficult sell in 2024, just to stiff. Actually his Dad was one of my political heros. He was one of the few US Senators to oppose the Vietnam War early on and lost his Senate seat in 1968. I worked for Vance Hartke from Indiana that year and he won a squeeker against Richard Roudabush.
Right now Gore is perceived as a single issue politician, but he is one sharp cookie on a lot of issues.
His recent book probably seals the deal, until the political dialogue gets focused on issues and not the gutter/ personal attack mode, he will keep to himself.
Could be a very interesting Unity08 candidate. He is one of the few that I think might have the courage we need in the Oval Office. He is more mature than the rest and more at ease with himself today than he waw 7 years ago.
Al Gore brings much to the table. He has the priceless experience of the Vice Presidency under arguably the most successful President in our history. He also has the experience of running a campaign that let him to the closest and most tumultuous conclusion in our history, and emerged defeated, but not a loser. Still he also brings much baggage that the political PACS (read hacks) would make distracting hay with.
Mike Bloomberg brings little political baggage, lots of executive experience, sparkling intellect and recent political successes and kudos from both parties that Gulliani only could dream of. He also could provide the financing immediately to supplement the Unity-08 coffers.
That he recently resigned his membership in the Republican Party and became an independent speaks for his disgust with the status quo in both parties.
Would he be the best President we ever had? Unknown.
Would he be a better President than we have? Undoubtedly.
Could he win? Considering the opposition, I think so.
Morton M. Pasco
Q: Would he be the best President ever? A: No way.
Q: Would he be a better President than we have? A: A monkey would be better than what we have.
Q: Could he win? He doesn't have that much money!
The Ron Paul Revolution might just provide us with the best President we have ever had.
Bloomberg as unity08 possible candidate.....ugh
doesn't wall street have enough influence on politics ?
shades of george soros, Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes Jr ~ are others i would object to.
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however, i wouldn't object to Warren Buffet....
I agree with germanicus. I have tried to find Bloomberg on issues such as WTO/NAFTA. This is a major issue for me. If it's true corporations want to rule the world, why would we willingly put one of them in the White House?
There a pertty good chance he'll refer you to Bloomberg.
Bill"for what we are together"
bill713.unity08@sbcglobal.net
i believe his preferences are still up for grabs, a tycoon (if it had to be one) who doesn't want the job would be my choice.
kinda reminds me of Ross Perot........and what politics will do to a person.
Altruism & humility are qualities i prefer in a president.
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The Warren Buffett primary is still open for competition.
it is reported this week on the Omaha billionaire's $1 million fundraiser Tuesday night for Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, and his $4,600 contribution to her presidential campaign. That's the maximum anyone can give a candidate.
Bill Burton, a spokesman for rival Barack Obama, tells us Buffett will be raising money for Obama soon. He also says Buffett gave $4,600 to the Illinois senator in April. The donation won't show up in public records until second-quarter financial reports are filed with the Federal Election Commission.
Hey, Bloomy is a pretty smart guy. That, combined with the fact that he is willing to spend a half-billion dollars (yes, that is with a "b") on his run for the White House, he could win this thing. It would help if he selected as a running mate, Lou Dobbs or Colin Powell.
If Bloomberg is ultimately the Presidential candidate on the Unity08 slate, I'm outta here. His appeal is only because he has so much money to self finance his own campaign. Fred Thompson is my choice.
Fred Thompson is a good man - but the difference qualifications wise has nothing to do with Bloomberg's money :
check his credentials as a businessman, as a human being, and his record in the political arena compared to Fred Thompson, he is by far the better qualified man for the job - and that's a matter of record.
Always go with the best qualified - regardless of how much money he's got : by the way - did you stop to consider with all that money - he doesn't need to dig in the kitty to support a lifestyle !!
popo
was as a beltway lobbyist for major communications companies in the US
and UK companies seeking advantage over US companies. He learned the ropes as a congressional aide to various congressmen.
Some may not see his actual performance because they can not get past the Reagan style well honed actor speak.
But I would welcome him to the Unity 08 nomination race just to see the meltdown when confronted with our issues.
Bill"for what we are together"
bill713.unity08@sbcglobal.net
Just look at Thompson - he was admittedly bored being a congressman - has spent nearly 20 YEARS as a lobbyist - what a recommendation that is.
I think people are fooled by a role he is playing. He's a hologram.
US Marine vet Vietnam 4/68 - 8/69 5th District, NJ
Thompson's entire "candidacy" thus far is fueled by the adage, "Tis better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
Now, I'm not implying that he is a fool. I'm sure he's far from it. But he is definitely coasting onward by remaining silent and letting the void of his candidacy be filled by the hopes of others.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
You said that Fred Thompson is your choice. It won't happen; he will NOT be the Unity '08 nominee because Fred will be the GOP nominee in '08.
Anyone?
Neither one is qualified for president. A couple of terms in office does not qualify a person for president. They both try to walk the walk but they only say what they think is going to get them elected. Smoke screen.
I'd say Obama is qualified, though some argument can be made for his age, or lack thereof. It just happens that most of his experience was outside the political sector. No reason to penalize him for that. After all, isn't it the career politician we are mostly sick of?
As for Bloomberg, I would assert that he's the most qualified out there. His performance in both the private and public sectors has been exceptional. Bloomberg trounces Rudy's ratings for mayor of NYC. If you're willing to consider Rudy qualified, it's pretty hard to argue that Mike is not...
As to the earlier post regarding these two, Bloomberg/Obama is not going to happen because Obama is a rising/risen star in the Democrat party. He's not going to bail on it and run as a independent and possible spoiler if he doesn't get the nomination. It's not going to happen. Bloomberg, however is technically positioning for an independent run.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
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Look, there is no reason why Bloomberg would say so often that he isn't going to run in '08 unless he really didn't think he was going to run in '08. He could just as easily say maybe, get even more press than he does now and not piss off as many people as he will now if he changes his mind. I think he'd be great for Unity 08, but I just don't see him doing it. You dont have to be a presidential candidate to be a political officeholder and have a myspace page. Just because alot of us want him to run doesn't mean he's going to. I think he's right about probably not being able to win... unless it was Hillary vs Giuliani, the two most flawed candidates in their respective fields of contenders.
...the more I realize that Unity probably doesn't want Bloomberg to run. In the even that he did, there would probably only be room for one centrist type effort, and Bloomberg's billions would assure that it's him. In this scenario I am presupposing that Bloomberg wouldn't be a Unity a candidate because: [1] he doesn't need Unity's electoral machinery; he already has his own and [2] he also has is own agenda, which is probably going to differ from our AMerican Agenda. Whatever progress Unity has made will probably just get shoved to the side with the attention going to Mike instead.
The "expert" talk I have heard has says that Mike will not run if it would risk spoiling the democrat candidate. Bloomberg, after all, is really a democrat with slight Republican leanings. The other point was that he also wouldn't run if Giuliani is the republican. I'm not sure why this would be but I have seen this echoed in a few different places. Perhaps the whole thing would be "too New York"?
Personally, I'd love to see him run, with Unity or without. I think he's pretty talented and I'd take him over any of the other candidates in each major party.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
my sister has lived in ny for 50 years (upstate) she says the citizens of ny absolutely love bloomberg because he does what he says. he gets things done.
wouldnt it be great to have a president who got the important things done.
Quote - "Personally, I'd love to see him run, with Unity or without. I think he's pretty talented and I'd take him over any of the other candidates in each major party."
I think he would be the best candidate out of anyone in the field...
Can Unity08 even be a factor without his finances?
Jeff C
leikec@yahoo.com
I think that Unity can be a factor without his finances if he doesn't run. I think that if he does run, and it's not as the Unity candidate, he'll be a competitor with Unity in the centrist space. I suspect that that aspect of the race will go the route of "this town's not big enough for two of us" in terms of alternate parties/candidates. Mike will drown out the Unity movement, at least from the perspective of having a chance at the TV debates (which are essential).
One thing that has caught my attention thus far is that Unity already seems to have raised more cash than any other 3rd party effort in the last few election cycles. This is still a far cry from the megamillions that will be dumped into the race, but it at least shows there are some people with deeper pockets that believe in this.
I am still concerned, having worked a 3rd party campaign, that we'll end up spending all of our time trying to raise money in desperation mode as a result of having to wait until the end to know our candidates and issues.
I have to admit that I'm reluctant at this time to open my own wallet, because I still really don't know what the heck I'd ultimately be funding. I understand the spirit of what we intend, but nothing really would prevent a coup by a radical group in the same way the Green party or Reform parties were hijacked to make them a non-factor.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
I have similar reservations about Unity. We at least need to know the poll results; I'm not sure which Unity this will become.
The Take Back America slogan was voted tops, but the second best vote getter was something about the moderate middle. I'm not interested in the Take Back America crowd, we dont need more energy in the world, we need more direction.
BTW, I walked into the booth last time as an undecided, and couldn't vote for either Bush or Kerry. I felt physically restrained. So I went with Nader as a protest.
I would like to vote for Hagel or someone with his background and sensibilities. But if Unity puts forward a loud thoughtless campaign like the major parties, I'll be gone quickly.
I'd like to see those poll results, to better understand who is in the organization at this point.
I suspect that the Unity founders are predisposed to putting out a very thoughtful and carefully considered campaign. They are, after all, people who worked on advising real presidential campaigns. The experience from something that like that is certainly rare and valuable.
The problem, however, might be with the raw, untempered wrath of the disgruntled citizen. The bridge between the radical/activist and the vision of the common sense voter will need to be secured in some manner. The hard part is that the radical elements are usually the evangelists that get a movement going, and the common sense people usually step in later in the process.
I am quite certain that the Unity leadership could, on their own accord, devise a truly centrist platform and provide a short list of candidates that could succeed in the tactical landscape we have to operate in. But if the plan is to have the people decide that, we risk devising something that fits the activist mind, not the centrist mind. If we could get a membership into the millions, I suspect that we'll be fine.
If we don't get that number we have to do with what we have. For some time I have been advocating that the leadership get more hands on in providing samples of centrist thinking, promoting centrist orgs, etc. This would at least hint at the expectations of where we are going and it would help some of the more radical types understand that they need to compromise a bit. OTherwise we might face the dreaded takeover scenario.
In any case, I am looking forward to seeing the results of the polling.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
If 70% of the American people want and end to war in Iraq is that the centrist position? If the same number want an end to illegal immigration and the current laws on the books enforced is that the centrist position?
Yes, I would say that those things (and Ron Paul is on the same page here) are "centrist" positions by matter of them being prominent in the people's minds and they are not honestly being addressed. In reality they are activist positions that should never have to be activist positions, but both parties ignored them (think slavery in Lincoln's time). But because they are common across political boundaries to a lot of people they can at least be treated as centrist.
The difference with Bloomberg and Paul, in this case, is that Paul has "kooky" baggage like the eradication of gov't insitutions, which is not acceptable to Democrats. Remember, we need that one-third common sense wing from each major party. Drawing from one only is the spoiler scenario. Paul was very admirable in the last debate, but his achille's heel was on display when they brought up his stances of eliminating all those gov't institutions. That may appeal to you, but that part is kryptonite to the Dem side. Which means you'll play spoiler to the Republicans; easy victory for Hillary.
Bloomberg has social stances that lean left which makes him comfortable with Democrats. But his business credentials can earn votes on the right. In this way he's a far more viable candidate than Paul, who just won't draw from the common sense wing of the dems. Rather he will only gather a left wing (more radical) votes.
It is an interesting principle, HC. With regards to Iraq, Paul is echoing the same exact things that Nader, Dean, and Kucinish did in 2024. In that case, however, each of those three candidates was just not electable. It's hard to appeal to both sides. Bloomberg has a good shot at that.
Like Paul, he also doesn't take a shred of special interest money. The beauty is that in Mike's case he actually has the money to be competitive. I'd rather have a self-made, self-financed billionaire for president than someone who liquidated their soul to the Fortune 500...
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
My niece is the head of the board of elections in my county and she tells me a lot of Dems here are registering as unaffiliated to vote for Ron Paul in the NC primary. Bloomberg might get some GOP votes above the Mason Dixon line but not here in the south! Ron Paul also has money to compete and his campaign is the fastest growing of any campaign. Dr. Paul also has over 40,000 volunteers in over 500 US cities! He is the king of Internet politics, far surpassing what Howard Dean had in his bid. Ironically I think Dean would have gotten the Dem nomination had it not been for the MSM crucifying him, much as they are doing to Dr. Paul now. Bloomberg has things working against him too, squeaky voice, loyalty to AIPAC, and is also a skirt chaser!
I do think Bloomberg would have problems in the south. But I still think he's a far superior leader. He has real governing experience and has high ratings from the citizens of NYC - much higher than Rudy ever got in any case.
As for skirt chasing, that's a pretty strong claim based on what event I think you're claiming. It's certainly less problematic than Ron Paul's book that attracted the positive attention of the neo-nazi organization Stormfront. Might want to look into that one. Sometimes it's best if the mud just remain in the mud, huh? ;)
I do agree though that Paul is very much in the Dean situation. I also think, in retrospect, that if Dean did have the nomination he would have been stomped by Bush. Same reason Nader can't win.
Paul will have to win the Republican nomination to have a chance though. The real money comes from the National Committee after the nomination. The money he has now is not much more than what Unity has. See:
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
Below is a commentary that originally appeared at Treasure Chests for the benefit of subscribers on Friday, August 24th, 2024.
What good would it do you if Michael Bloomberg became the next President of the United States? Answer: In spite of all the platform promises he would undoubtedly make, no good in all likelihood, just like with Bush if you were not a defense contractor or oil baron. That is to say, like Bush, he would work on ways to reward his buddies for supporting his campaign. Good or bad depending on who you are – that’s how the game is played. As mentioned here many times now, and highlighted in our piece The Bourgeoisie Of America, what should begin to become more plain to everybody very soon is that guys like Bloomberg, in the top three-percent for sure, are only worried about lining their own pockets – and it’s to hell with everyone else. And on a larger scale, and increasingly, official policy is being run on this basis, where again, such actions are not about to help you and me in anyway past putting off the inevitable – that being through a painful process bring us back to a system for the people as opposed to the one we have – designed to rape, pillage, and plunder.
If he wanted more money he'd stay in the private sector. He already has billions, and he left his business to make NYC a better place.
If you look at his record in NYC, you'll find that he's made tough decisions all along the way; the kind that do make the city better, but the kind that are not easy answers that people sometimes want. He has what the CITIZENS there consider the best administration the city has seen. I think that says something considering Rudy, before 9/11 had an approval rating of 30.
The critique you posted is not realistic because it (falsely) posits that obtaining wealth makes a person terrible. It presupposes that all rich people are terrible barron types. It allows no lattitude for those that are rich, but happen to actually do good things (Gates and Buffet are both using their wealth to better the world). Mike is one of those guys and his record shows it.
I admit myself that at the start of Unity I just saw "Mike Bloomberg - Republican" and made all the prejudgements knowing what his business was. It wasn't until I looked at his record that I realized I was quite wrong in my assumptions.
I think you should do some real research on the guy and his record before making judgement. It won't hurt to at least look:
www.mikebloomberg.com
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
gp.......bloomberg is on an ego trip.......
How is Bloomberg on an ego trip any more than any other candidate? I would assert the opposite is the case. Compared to other candidates, Mike actually has real governing experience in one of the largest and most complicated cities on earth. And he's done exceptionally well at it. He trounces Rudy by any factual measure. How is Rudy not on an ego trip too?
Now compare that to Ron Paul. What real governing experience does he have? He's a representative of a rural district. How is he NOT on an ego trip if Mike is? Same with a lot of the front runners in each party. They are all senators at best, and has history shows senators rarely win; it's only happened twice: JFK and Harding.
Who does win elections? Governers and vice presidents. There's a lot of reasons for this, but one of them is that in the end Guvs have the REAL sort of experience needed for the job and people can see that.
I'll say it again. Mike's more qualified than the others running. He knows how to govern, be it private industry or public service. His bank account and his ratings as mayor prove it.
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
anybody who is in politics and especially those who aspire to the highest office in the land are on an ego trip to some extent. silly statement in my opinion.
The "South" is slowly changing. Candidates like Michael Bloomberg will do better over time as the major Southern cities continue to grow due to an influx of more moderate, educated, white-collar workers who reject the close-minded status-quo of the extreme right. Richmond, Virginia is a good example of the "new" south.
There are three different types of southern voters; the newer, middle of the road, upwardly mobile professional, the more traditional conservative southerner who will vote republican most of the time, but who will at least listen to a centrist like Jim Webb, and finally, the uneducated, inbred, backward, bigoted, confederate-flag-waving moron who is (sadly) still dragging the entire region down.
Unity08 should work to get the vote of the moderate "new southerner", and the respect (but probably not the vote) of the traditional southern conservative.
We can afford to live without the inbred morons.
Jeff C
leikec@yahoo.com
The South, where compared to the north people still have morals, are much more self sufficient, don't look to the government to solve all their problems, don't believe you can legislate morality, are courteous, still have strong family ties, are generous, help their neighbors, reject the idea that it is ok for a woman to murder her unborn child, know that homosexuality is immoral and have common sense!
I'm just not up to it. I wasn't even aware that we were immoral up here in Minnesota. Dang, I never realized we were such savages... ;)
-GP
Let's do as The Beatles' said: "Come together, right now. Unity." Something like that... ;)
I was born in New York state; obviously, I am a deeply immoral person, and I should recuse myself from the discussion.
Jeff C
leikec@yahoo.com
ridiculous stereotyping hc.
Actually 75% are against immediate withdrawal from Iraq and almost as many say they think we need to stay another year or moreso there to stave off genocide. And a majority in many polls have said that they do not want the "Big Roundup" on illegals and a majority when asked are open to various levels of earned legalization for those who are already here illegally but who have been on good behavior otherwisw. So be Careful what you call centrist there and poll driven - it all comes down to how the poll is asked and the context. Don't know if Polls are the best and cogent determinant of all this. It's hard to look up to someone when his ear is to the ground!
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Actually 75% are against immediate withdrawal from Iraq and almost as many say they think we need to stay another year or moreso there to stave off genocide. And a majority in many polls have said that they do not want the "Big Roundup" on illegals and a majority when asked are open to various levels of earned legalization for those who are already here illegally but who have been on good behavior otherwisw. So be Careful what you call centrist there and poll driven - it all comes down to how the poll is asked and the context. Don't know if Polls are the best and cogent determinant of all this. It's hard to look up to someone when his ear is to the ground!
DC - 3rd ward - milligansstew08@yahoo.com
http://milligansstew.blogspot.com