Unity08. A people's movement to take our country back.

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Unless of course you simply re-write it.

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I agree, and glad you bring up Nixon, who was the previous low before the Bushes.
While on the subject - what about Bush Sr. and selling arms to Iran while they had our embassy hostage? He denied, denied, it finally was proven he had been involved, he admitted it, AND NOTHING HAPPENED!
As to the current Bush - right before the election "Rumsfeld will stay" - days before Rumsfeld was ousted. A direct lie to the American people.
The bigger lie(s) of course, are that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, was any threat to us, had WMDs, that Iraq was about anything but Iraqi oil.
AND -
What about the chicken-hawk Cheney? Anyone following the Scooter Libby trial? If Cheney were to testify, they ought to have a lie-detector hooked to him - clear an oath won't matter to him.

Finally to Clinton - anyone shocked that Clinton (EITHER OF THEM) would lie doesn't watch them in action, but Clinton's lies, other than being an embarrassment to our country, pales compared to lies to get in a war, abet our enemies, undermine our constitution,.....

Clinton never testified under oath before Congress, therefore he never perjured himself before Congress. As best I remember, he never addressed the Lewinsky matter to Congress.

Retired but Active

Please, pray tell us just exactly what he was impeached FOR! What law did he break? Or, was it just a lynch mob? What were his offenses that warranted impeachment? Certainly not his hanky panky in the White House.

Clinton was brought for impeachment because the Republican party was desperate to assert its "moral authority" over everyone. So funny how the standards are so different. To Republicans Pres. Clinton defiled the bonds of marriage which to them is important. Yet Bush has gotten thousands of people killed and for what? Yet no one talks of impeachment. How does the worst President this nation has ever laid eyes on get to stay in office for 8 years? Im baffled.

I talk of impeachment- but it has to be both Cheney (who I don't think could pass a sanity hearing) as well as George for their lies getting us into Iraq. I don't know what could be more criminal.
We need to stop them - they are now provoking Iran into a confrontation...
Wonder why we let Afghanistan go back to the Taliban and even tho N Korea has the bomb and is nuttier than a fruitcake we hear more about Iran? Afghanistan and N Korea aren't sitting on oil.

Trying to get Pelosi the presidency now, are you?

If Bush and Cheney ARE impeached, these quotes better be used....

"It's incontestable that the day I left office there were unaccounted for stocks of chemical and biological weapons"...Bill Clinton, CNN, July , 2024

"Saddam was been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process"..... Nancy Pelosi, July 2024

"He (Saddam) will will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983"....Sandy Berger, Clinton Security Advisor

BTW...why isn't Sandy Berger being prosecued for theft of documents?

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Berger pled guilty, paid a fine, performed community service, and is on parole. In other words, he already was prosecuted.

And if he hadn't been a "privalaged member" of the Clinton administartion, he'd be in jail.

Like he should be.

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Pelosi would be better than what we have.
"unaccounted for stocks" just means that - doesn't mean they weren't used up against the Kurds or Iranians, just means "unaccounted for", like the $12 Billion in cash Bremer "lost" in Iraq - it's "unaccounted for".
Bush, Cheney, Rice - all played the "mushroom cloud" card, which was know to be bogus.

Gee, Quicksilver, why don't you nominate her then?

I'll NEVER be voting for her or Hillary.

Tammy Bruce or Anne Coulter, maybe.

NOW, let's see how long it takes for someone bad-mouthing Ann Coulter.....

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Ann Coulter is a second-rate comedienne, but does have periods where she's amusing.
Pelosi is far better than Hillary.
You need to read up - Ford was voted in as Vice-President by Congress - the Speaker doesn't move up - 25th ammendment.
He moved up when Sicky Dicky resigned.
http://www.answers.com/topic/twenty-fifth-amendment-to-the-united-states-constitution

Frankly I love Anne Colter, she is entertaining.

That is one of the best ones I have heard, Clinton's perjury should be judged with a little common sense. Whatever happened to we are all equal in the eyes of the law. It amazes me how people will defend that snake, one of the sleezeist who ever served in the White House. Sure Nixon was guilty and he paid a price. Slick Willie was guilty but we need to view his crime as one of those good ole boys situations and forget the law. You were right about both Nixon and Bush but you are so very wrong about the biggest womanizer who ever inhabited the White House, no I take that back it would be a tossup between him and JFK.

A Mo South Independent

Both it appears have committed perjury.

Clinton got off scott free.

Be interesting to see what happens to Libby.

Of course, some Federal Judge could just grant him "absolute immunity".

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Retired but Active

I agree 100% that Clinton was a sleeze ball. Now, let's just consider what you said. I really do not care that much about a person's personal sexual habits as long as they do not hurt anyone else. Clinton was/is a womanizer but he WAS an effective president. There can be no comarison between him and Nixon-Bush I-kBush II-Reagan_Carter_ or Johnson. We had a budget surplus when Clinton left office. We were at the most peaceful period in the past 60 years when he left office. Our economy prospered more under Clinton than under any other president since FDR. On and on I could go. But, some people cannot get past the fact that Clinton got a BJ in the White House. And, judging from his popularity since leaving office, very few Americans really give a squat.

Nuff said on this topic, at least for me. I am more interested in what happens in the 08 elections and for the next 4-8 years follwing that. Serious stuff on the horizon.

Clinton's Presidency on the home front (except for bringing discredit to the Office itself) was a good one, however, it like a number of Administrations before it, failed miserably in the area foreign policy viz a viz intelligence on the ground in the Middle East.

President's should start relying more on Historians for advice than, political arse kissers and lobbyists, their place in History will gain considerably.

Those that Bash Bush - are showing their ignorance of what's been going on the World since the end of WW2, the fact is - we've been blessed with Cadre of Politicians in many Administrations In And Since WW2 : That Were Just Not Equipped To Run A Country With A Constitution & System Designed To Grow & Prosper !!

The Society OUTGREW The Structure That Is Being Used To Govern Its Affairs, THE SYSTEM BROKE & OUR POLITICIANS DON'T REALLY WANT TO FIX IT - The Changes That Are Needed Will Adversely Affect The Security Of Their Jobs, Their Pay, Their Perks & Their Pensions !!

Face it Darryel - IF WE THE PEOPLE DON'T FIX IT - IT AIN'T GOING TO GET FIXED !!

I'm not a cynic - I'm a realist that pays attention to what goes in here in America and the Rest Of The World.

Check my Blog www.popopete.com for Feb 2/3/4/5
popo

I think Clinton as well as the Republicans (Reagan, Bush 1, Newt, Bush 2) all kicked the collective can down the road and gimmicked-over the two key nation-buster problems that threaten the life of the republic - Entitlements and Grand Strategy. Thus in my estimation although they did some good stuff (due to Splitski Government mostly), they were both/all in the final analysis failed administrations. But that is water over the dam and we need to get the collective corn-cobs out of our behinds and stop the blame game can kicking polemical clap trap and forthrightly start to address the big mega-issues bearing down on us.

If 9/11 did anything else it showed how strategically unprepared we were to confront the extant threats to our security. Still in the Cold War mode fighting the last war Grand Strategy-wise we totally missed the assymetric threat from the ethnic-tribal-religion failed states and nonstate actors. We all thought we could do Al Qaeda, Afganistan, Iraq, and GWOT on the cheap and based on an emotion filled seat of the pants policy devoid of any coherent strategic context. The ends-means disconnect on the resulting policy was/is sadly breathtaking. Both parties are guilty of this since the late 80s but we are all in the same leaky boat if not addressed/resolved now.

By the same token the Entitlement Reform Question "ends-means" disconnect continues to expand and not be addressed in any meanigful way. It gets worse and will be harder to solve the longer we put off. Gimmickry (drawing from the Social security trust fund, etc) there in borders on the criminal intergenerationally speaking. We will have our Entitlement 9/11 in a few years folks we we keep can-kicking that one!

9/11 and our incompetent the susequent knee-jerk GWOT ends-means disconnect reaction showed how truly exposed we were/are. On both Grand Strategy and Entitlement questions we might have been able to get away with this can-kicking but with the international threats that exist out there and the Baby Boom retirement Tsunami heading our way in the next 5 years our days are numbered if we don't address/reslove in the next 5 to 10 years! Our choice! Do we wring our hands and engage in water-over-the-dam bickering and opportunities lost with politicains past. Or do we start to have the courage and citizenry responsibility to forthrightly examine and address in a bipartisan/nonpartisan way these big Nation-Buster mega issues. You all choose!

Being a former history teacher, I appreciate your comment on the fact President's should rely on historians more in their administration. One thing many overlook in the so called budget surplus of the Clinton years was the accounting gimmickry used by the national government and it is still used today. They show social security funds as being part of the equation, they should not be, but tell that to a politican wanting people to think they balance the budget. And another point no President ever balances a budget, its the Congress that controls spending not the President. Good points. Have a good day.

A Mo South Independent

MFV read my response to GEA, its people like you, GEA, Mark and that rabble rouser James Cook - Unity08 Needs to cometogether and give the Organization a Plan It Can Run With, I feel My Plan For The Reform Manifesto Is A Good One and I know How We Can Make It Work, THAT SAID - I will Listen To Any Concrete Idea - and If I Can't Pursuade You Mine Is Better : I WILL SUPPORT IT 100% (and modify mine to play a supporting role).

Wish Us All Good Luck !!

popo

Will it still be now or never next year, or is our time running out? If we don't have anything organized by March 1st, should we give up? How about June 1st? January 1st?

You never have something constructive to offer - if we look to you for ideas THE NOW WILL BE NEVER ..

THAT SAID .. The Answer To Your Question Is WE NEVER GIVE UP, we don't let people like you distract us from our objectives ..

Go Away son - you bother me !!

popo

I was being sarcastic about the good ole boy thing with Clinton, you said we should ignore such behavior in Presidents, by using some common sense. What do you say about equality under the law? You didn't bother to address that. Go back and read my comment I did not say what you said I said. You have a habit of not answering my questions, you never would say how and under what cirmustances did you evaluate public school teachers in the classroom, nor did you ever answer my question as to how long you were a public school teacher. Don't bother responding if you can't answer questions, and don't say things that people do not say to begin with. Enough Said!!!!

A Mo South Independent

The Bush and Clinton stuff is so passe. Get past it folks, they dont matter anymore, 'cept for Hillary. I dont believe she has a chance, that Bush I/Clinton I/Bush II/Clinton II thing is so embarrassing. Our children and their children will be laughing at us -- if they can.

This is about Unity08 as in 2024 - no Bush to beat up then.

I totally disagree with your assessment of Bush,(being impeached, grounds?) Don't say lied to the public, LBJ did that as has other Presidents. By the way do you find it strange the committee that voted impeachment charges against Nixon felt obstruction of justice was a felony,but the US Senate did not think Perjury was a felony in the case of Clinton? Politics sure are strange. Maybe every Congressman and Senator who voted for the war should resign, if they were to do that I say impeach the President and remove him from office.

An Independent